Look I know the odds of WB successfully course correcting its course correcting are slim. Like everything is still screaming at them to make it jokey and Ragnarock is minting money and Geoff Johns is still Geoff Johns:Silver Age Shill, so like there’s no guarantee. But at the same time the fact that the movie is bombing creates an opportunity, because in Hollywood money talks. If this movie was a hit we could kiss Zack’s vision for the DCEU goodbye, but now there’s an opening.
Critics set the narrative for the DCEU after BvS, they said it was a flopped, unloved, and too dark. WB catered to them and the reviews didn’t improve, but now the critics are stuck between a rock and a hard place, they can’t say there weren’t any jokes or smiles, but they also can’t admit it should’ve been more serious. Which means they can’t set the narrative as easily as before. So now it’s our time to speak up.
Sign the petition asking for Zack’s cut. Tweet WB and Geoff Johns telling them how disappointed you were with Whedon’s changes. Make it known how much you loved Zack’s movies. Let them see there are people who love these movies and the care that went into them, and want them to stay that way. If we’re loud enough they might take notice and realize they’re never going to be Marvel but there’s a demand for superhero movies that take their characters seriously!
I thought you might like this Zack throwing shade at WB lol. BTW that’s his Vero account.
dc fans: hey where was iris west? where are all the cyborg scenes? where is clark affirming his marriage to lois lane? where is wonder woman’s extended fight? where is the black superman suit? where is the lore on darkseid and apokolips? where—
But there were so many people you just had to meet
Without your clothes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows, everybody knows
That’s how it goes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows, everybody knows
That’s how it goes
Everybody knows
And everybody knows that it’s now or never
Everybody knows that it’s me or you
And everybody knows that you live forever
When you’ve done a line or two
Everybody knows the deal is rotten
Old Black Joe’s still picking cotton
For your ribbons and bows
And everybody knows
And everybody knows that the Plague is coming
Everybody knows that it’s moving fast
Everybody knows that the naked man and woman
Are just a shining artifact of the past
Everybody knows the scene is dead
But there’s gonna be a meter on your bed
That will disclose
What everybody knows
And everybody knows that you’re in trouble
Everybody knows what you’ve been through
From the bloody cross on top of Calvary
To the beach of Malibu
Everybody knows it’s coming apart
Take one last look at this Sacred Heart
Before it blows
Everybody knows…
The lyrics to this song not only have relevance to the plot, but to the overall treatment of Snyder, his movies and the people who caused the downfall of his vision. And I can’t help feeling like that wasn’t a coincidence.
Well apparently Zack didn‘t hire Whedon fucking Geoff Johns and WB did.Cast and crew hated Whedon with Ray Fisher protesting his direction by wearing the I love Zack Snyder shirt.
From Reddit so do take with a grain of salt(But does sound legit)
**SPOILERS**
=Things he said were CUT from Zack’s cut: 1) Deathstroke breaking out Lex 2) Bruce and Diana visiting Lex for information on Steppenwolf where Batman breaks Lex’s fingers. (WHY CUT THIS??!☹️ðŸ˜) 3) Iris stuff 4) Ray Fisher Cyborg scenes as he was the HEART of the film before Whedon 5) Lois investigating Star Labs
=Geoff Johns and WB hired Whedon, not Zack
=Ray Fisher was protesting against Whedon when he wore “I LUV¸ZS” shirt because Whedon removed his scenes. His role was condensed from “the Heart”.
=Gal Gadot was unaware that she was reacting for Flash falling on her boobs. Her body double was used for that face plant bit.
=Only 3 Snyder Superman scenes were left: 1) At the end of the film on farm where Bruce​ and Clark talk about how Bruce got the house back from the bank 2) Superman and League confrontation 3) Half of the Superman farm scene. Other half with greenscreen and quips were from Whedon
=The cast was against Whedon’s changes. But at the test screening atleast, the audience responded to his humour and quips so they were kept
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Do you guys remember that feeling you had when you first saw Man of Steel and Batman V Superman in the theatres for the first time? The kind of feeling that was
like,“HOLY SHIT I’M ACTUALLY WITNESSING THIS IN FRONT OF MY FUCKING EYE BALLS THIS IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING!!!!!!”Because I felt almost none of that while watching Justice League. the only moment I felt that was during the intro to JL that was kind of an homage to Watchmen.
We need to see how the visionary director would have completed this story, and with powerful, memorable music, as was originally intended.
If there’s a fraction of a chance…
54k signatures. Not sure if it’s going to change WB mind BUT with that number of signatures (which keeps going up !) and the leaks done by the VFX team, WB sure is screwed on some level.
I actually keep sharing it mostly because it warms my heart to see those numbers continue to rise. Maybe it won’t change anything, but Zack Snyder literally taught me to hope in the darkest time of my life. I know that sounds like hyperbole, but true is true.
So I have hope, and that rising figure just reinforces that.
It seems Zack himself has liked a Vero post that was posted by fionaDCpositive/fukujang0627 that promotes this petition. If anything, Zack knows our support for him. He knows we love and appreciate his vision.
Here is the link to the tweet screencapping his “like” of the petition
JL has made about a total of $280 mil so far thanks to sales overseas. It’s always good to remind ourselves it’s not just the domestic box office that counts.
i havent heard anyone talk about this yet but listen not only was Justice League stylistically beautiful, but it had a great, diverse cast. Two Jewish people (one of which openly calls himself Jewish in the film), a native Hawaiian, a black teenager, and two white men.
what im saying is, marvel’s all-white cast of the avengers 1&2 can suck it
I watched Zack
Snyder’s Dawn of the Dead last night, which means that the
latter half of 300 is now the only part of his filmography I
haven’t seen (what a strange world this is), and I have some thoughts.
Mainly, how the
actual fuck did Zack Snyder end up with the reputation that he has?
Dawn of the Dead
is the first movie he ever made, so I wasn’t expecting greatness. And
I’m not going to lie - I didn’t love it. But mostly because I fucking
hate zombies. As a zombie flick, it’s effective. There’s a lot of
violence, but that comes with the territory, and for me it only
served to highlight how capable Zack Snyder is of going there
with the level of gore (this is really noticeable in Watchmen
too), and how much he holds back in his Superman films, which are
actually incredibly bloodless and
restrained. There are certain choices that I wouldn’t necessarily
have made, like how quickly we go
right into the zombie apocalypse, or the inclusion of a zombie baby,
but in both cases I get it. This movie doesn’t hold back. We all know
it’s a zombie movie, so why waste time, and
why not take that premise to its logical, appalling conclusion?
It’s
equally interested in both diving right into the action, and
exploring the emotional fallout of
your loved ones turning into zombies.
The female lead’s boyfriend is one of the first people to die, and
it’s suitably horrifying, but then she gets the fuck on with the
business of surviving. The
new guy she forms a tentative bond with over the course of the film
also dies, leaving her alive to mourn him.
As a directorial
debut, it’s startlingly competent. The tension is well-done, the gore
is obviously present but mostly happens in short intense bursts, the
action is gripping and satisfying, the pacing is surprising but not
frenetic, there’s lots of humour, the characters feel like real
people, and the cast is relatively diverse. The main character is a
young white woman named Ana, a nurse with no combat training, who
nevertheless holds her own during the apocalypse, and is one of the
few survivors in the end. She’s a nice person, but takes absolutely
no shit, even with a gun pointed at her face. For example:
“What are you, a
fucking doctor?”
“I’m a fucking
nurse.”
It features two
black men, both fully realized characters, one of whom is an ex-con
and one of whom is a police officer. The two of them have a
conversation about fatherhood, in which Andre, who used to be a petty
thief, talks about how much he wants to give his child all the
opportunities he never had. The police officer, Kenneth, is one of
the only other survivors of the movie.
Having seen this
film, I can now say with total assurance that literally 100% of
Zack Snyder’s movies feature at least one female lead whose agency,
psyche, and emotional ties are driving forces in the narrative.
Every single one of his films.
He gets compared to
Michael Bay - presumably because they both like explosions and went
to the same film school? - but it’s an utterly facile comparison.
Michael Bay’s films are generic, sexist, whitebread, empty-headed,
jingoistic, barely-concealed military propaganda pieces, and Zack
Snyder’s films… are not.
He should be
compared to Stanley Kubrick, Ridley Scott, the Wachowskis, James
Cameron, Alfred Hitchcock, Quentin Tarantino, Lars von Trier,
Terrence Malick… etc. I’m not saying any of those people are
perfect. Just that their movies are much more relevant points of
comparison than something like Transformers. This is a guy who
has been reading comics since childhood, whose mother was an artist, who studied art history
before he became a director, who had a team of linguists create an
entire Themysciran language just so they could inscribe a quote from
Joseph Campbell onto Wonder Woman’s sword, a detail we never even see
in the movie. Please tell me
when Michael Bay has ever done anything comparable.
Zack
Snyder makes genre films full of women and people of colour (occasionally even people who are both, if you can believe that). His movies are packed with action,
emotion, and beauty. They
depict violence without treating it lightly. His visuals – the one
thing people generally agree are impressive – only improve with
every movie he makes. His wife, Deborah Snyder, is his producing
partner, and obviously has a huge impact on his artistic endeavors.
He’s not without flaws, and he’s made films I don’t care for. But it’s
obvious when you look at his body of work that he is constantly
seeking to improve and try new techniques and delve just that little
bit deeper into every layer of storytelling and symbolism. Dawn
of the Dead is his first movie,
and it’s good. His latest work, Batman v Superman,
is a triumph. I can’t fathom where his reputation as this
self-fellating, macho, ultra-violent director, who is somehow both
‘too gritty/dark/grim/edgy’
but also ‘exactly as frothy
and shallow as Michael Bay’
came from, but it’s both
self-contradictory, and
straight-up false.
As
a quick sidebar: I really, truly, honestly wish my guy Zack would do
me a solid and hold back a little
less with the sex and the swearing in his Superman films. He clearly
knows how to do it well. Also, this movie made me a bit sad Michael
Kelly didn’t show up again as Steve Lombard in Batman v
Superman, which
is not an emotion I ever expected to feel.
I feel I have to note, since it’s not mentioned above,Snyders Dawn of the Dead is a remake, and a few of the things mentioned come from the source (Zombie apocalypse starts fast cause it’s a sequel, strong black and women characters are in the source)
But yeah, overall I agree. I think a problem with a lot of film criticism (and this goes so much beyond superhero flicks or DC) is critics and some film fans are only willing to look for deeper themes when it’s either
A-A bunch of garbled vague nonsense trying to sound deep and meaningful. (Which is honestly some of the easiest shit to write)
or
B-The themes are spelled out so freaking obviously that it takes no effort to read into them.
Snyder, IMO, actually has defined themes that aren’t super vague, but take more than a surface reading to get.
someone who lives in post-communist or communist country: communist authorities committed genocide/purges/deportations/mass executions in my country against those who they considered to be “enemies of the state”
